Received: (qmail 27492 invoked by uid 102); 13 Jan 2002 06:44:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO parn.havencomm.com) (mailman@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 06:44:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 27484 invoked by uid 102); 13 Jan 2002 06:43:40 -0000 Received: from femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (24.0.95.83) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 06:43:40 -0000 Received: from localhost ([24.13.142.43]) by femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020113064333.QIZL6581.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:43:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) X-BeenThere: inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:43:32 -0500 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Subject: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] test5 Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: test5 _______________________________________________ InConJunctionAnnounce mailing list InConJunctionAnnounce@lists.inconjunction.org http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunctionannounce From inconjunctionannounce-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Fri Mar 08 22:30:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 15285 invoked by uid 102); 8 Mar 2002 22:30:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO parn.havencomm.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 22:30:01 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 15235 invoked by uid 102); 8 Mar 2002 22:26:36 -0000 Received: from smtp.comcast.net (24.153.64.2) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 22:26:36 -0000 Received: from thompson.homeip.net (pcp983772pcs.northw01.in.comcast.net [68.58.61.156]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GSO00LZREBKLA@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 17:26:08 -0500 (EST) To: inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org Message-id: <7B4DAAC7-32E3-11D6-8C74-003065B8BDA8@inconjunction.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9OaO7L7XvuxsrObMrQcK1A)" X-BeenThere: inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 17:26:06 -0500 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Subject: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] New Guests Added to Guestlist Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --Boundary_(ID_9OaO7L7XvuxsrObMrQcK1A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Two new guests, Jack Stauffer and Steven Brust, have been added to the InConJunction guest list. The guest list now consists of: Richard Hatch ........ Battlestar Galactica's Cpt. Apollo Dirk Benedict ........ Battlestar Galactica's Lt. Starbuck Jack Stauffer ........ Battlestar Galactica's Bojay Larry Bond ........... Author Guest of Honor Steven Brust ......... Author Guest of Honor Slawek Wojtowicz ..... Artist Guest of Honor Musica Subterranea ... Musical Guest Dr. James Farlow ..... Toastmaster and Paleontologist For other information, including bios for the above mentioned guests, hotel and registration information, and details about the InConJunction Masquerade contest, at which you could win up to $100 in cash prizes, go to: http://www.inconjunction.org --Boundary_(ID_9OaO7L7XvuxsrObMrQcK1A) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Verdana0000,0000,0000Two new guests, Jack Stauffer and Steven Brust, have been added to the InConJunction guest list. The guest list now consists of: Andale Mono0000,0000,0000 Richard Hatch ........ Battlestar Galactica's Cpt. Apollo Dirk Benedict ........ Battlestar Galactica's Lt. Starbuck Jack Stauffer ........ Battlestar Galactica's Bojay Larry Bond ........... Author Guest of Honor Steven Brust ......... Author Guest of Honor Slawek Wojtowicz ..... Artist Guest of Honor Musica Subterranea ... Musical Guest Dr. James Farlow ..... Toastmaster and Paleontologist Verdana0000,0000,0000
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--Boundary_(ID_9OaO7L7XvuxsrObMrQcK1A)-- _______________________________________________ InConJunctionAnnounce mailing list InConJunctionAnnounce@lists.inconjunction.org http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunctionannounce From inconjunctionannounce-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Sat Jun 01 18:12:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 15618 invoked by uid 102); 1 Jun 2002 18:12:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO parn.havencomm.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 18:12:01 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 15605 invoked by uid 102); 1 Jun 2002 18:11:52 -0000 Received: from smtp.comcast.net (24.153.64.2) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 18:11:52 -0000 Received: from thompson.homeip.net (pcp982405pcs.northw01.in.comcast.net [68.58.56.69]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 13 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GX1008Y9H6P0F@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 14:11:14 -0400 (EDT) To: inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-BeenThere: inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 13:11:13 -0500 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Subject: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] InConJunction Web Page Updates Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: As always, the month prior to the convention has been a busy one. Quite a few updates have been made to the InConJunction Web Page. The following modifications and updates have been made to the InConJunction Web page in the last month: * The Online Address Book and Online Registration Order Form have been updated to address a minor bug * The Dealers' Room listing has been updated * The Dealers' Room application form has been added to the Dealers' Room page. * The Video Room movie list has been updated * The Gaming page has been updated * Writers' Workshop information has been added along with the ability to sign up for workshops on the Online Registration Order Form * The list of Also Appearing guests has been updated * The convention committee list was updated to include some minor changes * Our Artist Guest of Honor, Slawek Wojtowicz, M.D., had to cancel due to a personal conflict For the latest information on InConJunction go to http://www.inconjunction.org. _______________________________________________ InConJunctionAnnounce mailing list InConJunctionAnnounce@lists.inconjunction.org http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunctionannounce From inconjunctionannounce-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Sat Jun 01 19:01:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 16130 invoked by uid 102); 1 Jun 2002 19:01:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO parn.havencomm.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 19:01:02 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 16113 invoked by uid 102); 1 Jun 2002 19:00:57 -0000 Received: from smtp.comcast.net (24.153.64.2) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 19:00:57 -0000 Received: from thompson.homeip.net (pcp982405pcs.northw01.in.comcast.net [68.58.56.69]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 13 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GX100A86JGMC0@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 15:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] InConJunction Web Page Updates In-reply-to: To: inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-BeenThere: inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 14:00:21 -0500 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I neglected to mention before that the Anime Room Schedule has been updated as well. On Saturday, June 1, 2002, at 01:11 PM, inconjunction- admin@lists.inconjunction.org wrote: > As always, the month prior to the convention has been a busy one. Quite > a few updates have been made to the InConJunction Web Page. The > following modifications and updates have been made to the InConJunction > Web page in the last month: > * The Online Address Book and Online Registration Order Form have been > updated to address a minor bug > * The Dealers' Room listing has been updated > * The Dealers' Room application form has been added to the Dealers' > Room page. > * The Video Room movie list has been updated > * The Gaming page has been updated > * Writers' Workshop information has been added along with the ability > to sign up for workshops on the Online Registration Order Form > * The list of Also Appearing guests has been updated > * The convention committee list was updated to include some minor > changes > * Our Artist Guest of Honor, Slawek Wojtowicz, M.D., had to cancel due > to a personal conflict > > For the latest information on InConJunction go to > http://www.inconjunction.org. _______________________________________________ InConJunctionAnnounce mailing list InConJunctionAnnounce@lists.inconjunction.org http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunctionannounce From jeffthompson@mac.com Sun Jun 02 16:22:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 26235 invoked by uid 102); 2 Jun 2002 16:22:30 -0000 Received: from smtpout.mac.com (204.179.120.88) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 16:22:30 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02-en1.mac.com (smtp-relay02-en1 [10.13.10.225]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g52GMFO3011395 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay02-en1.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g52GMAKs017337 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thompson.homeip.net ([68.58.56.69]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GX36SX00.10C for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:22:09 -0700 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 11:22:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] InConJunction Web Page U pdates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <4F1C26C2EB4CD211BD2300805F657B5C0E14377C@newjersey.exchange.indiana.edu> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sounds like a good idea to me. On Sunday, June 2, 2002, at 09:51 AM, Hohman, Laura C wrote: > One thing you could add to the Dealers' Room page is this year's t-shirt > design. What do you think? > > Laura > > -----Original Message----- > From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org > To: inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org > Sent: 6/1/2002 1:11 PM > Subject: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] InConJunction Web Page > Updates > > As always, the month prior to the convention has been a busy one. Quite > a few updates have been made to the InConJunction Web Page. The > following modifications and updates have been made to the InConJunction > Web page in the last month: > * The Online Address Book and Online Registration Order Form have been > updated to address a minor bug > * The Dealers' Room listing has been updated > * The Dealers' Room application form has been added to the Dealers' Room > > page. > * The Video Room movie list has been updated > * The Gaming page has been updated > * Writers' Workshop information has been added along with the ability to > > sign up for workshops on the Online Registration Order Form > * The list of Also Appearing guests has been updated > * The convention committee list was updated to include some minor > changes > * Our Artist Guest of Honor, Slawek Wojtowicz, M.D., had to cancel due > to a personal conflict > > For the latest information on InConJunction go to > http://www.inconjunction.org. > > > > _______________________________________________ > InConJunctionAnnounce mailing list > InConJunctionAnnounce@lists.inconjunction.org > http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunctionannounce > _______________________________________________ > InConJunction mailing list > InConJunction@lists.inconjunction.org > http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunction > From jeffthompson@mac.com Sun Jun 02 16:26:42 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 26348 invoked by uid 102); 2 Jun 2002 16:26:42 -0000 Received: from smtpout.mac.com (204.179.120.86) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 16:26:42 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay03-en1.mac.com (smtp-relay03-en1 [10.13.10.222]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g52GQWEM021711 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay03-en1.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g52GQRC7006713 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thompson.homeip.net ([68.58.56.69]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GX370300.20M for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:26:27 -0700 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 11:26:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] InConJunction Web Page U pdates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7BFC73B6-7645-11D6-9B86-003065B8BDA8@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: In the future we could even allow people to vote on the design the like. On Sunday, June 2, 2002, at 11:22 AM, inconjunction- admin@lists.inconjunction.org wrote: > Sounds like a good idea to me. > > On Sunday, June 2, 2002, at 09:51 AM, Hohman, Laura C wrote: > >> One thing you could add to the Dealers' Room page is this year's >> t-shirt >> design. What do you think? >> >> Laura >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org >> To: inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org >> Sent: 6/1/2002 1:11 PM >> Subject: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] InConJunction Web Page >> Updates >> >> As always, the month prior to the convention has been a busy one. Quite >> a few updates have been made to the InConJunction Web Page. The >> following modifications and updates have been made to the InConJunction >> Web page in the last month: >> * The Online Address Book and Online Registration Order Form have been >> updated to address a minor bug >> * The Dealers' Room listing has been updated >> * The Dealers' Room application form has been added to the Dealers' >> Room >> >> page. >> * The Video Room movie list has been updated >> * The Gaming page has been updated >> * Writers' Workshop information has been added along with the ability >> to >> >> sign up for workshops on the Online Registration Order Form >> * The list of Also Appearing guests has been updated >> * The convention committee list was updated to include some minor >> changes >> * Our Artist Guest of Honor, Slawek Wojtowicz, M.D., had to cancel due >> to a personal conflict >> >> For the latest information on InConJunction go to >> http://www.inconjunction.org. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> InConJunctionAnnounce mailing list >> InConJunctionAnnounce@lists.inconjunction.org >> http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunctionannounce >> _______________________________________________ >> InConJunction mailing list >> InConJunction@lists.inconjunction.org >> http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunction >> > > _______________________________________________ > InConJunction mailing list > InConJunction@lists.inconjunction.org > http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunction > From lhohman@indiana.edu Thu Jun 06 15:07:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 26969 invoked by uid 102); 6 Jun 2002 15:07:29 -0000 Received: from julesburg.uits.indiana.edu (129.79.1.75) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 6 Jun 2002 15:07:29 -0000 Received: from massachusetts.exchange.indiana.edu (massachusetts.exchange.indiana.edu [129.79.6.159]) by julesburg.uits.indiana.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/IUPO) with ESMTP id g56F7IYg023613 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by massachusetts.exchange.indiana.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:07:18 -0500 Message-ID: <4F1C26C2EB4CD211BD2300805F657B5C0E1437AB@newjersey.exchange.indiana.edu> To: "'inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org'" Subject: RE: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] InConJunction Web Page U pdates Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:06:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Good idea. It would take a little pre-planning, but it should be do-able. BTW- Do you have the t-shirt design, or should I resend it? Laura -----Original Message----- From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org [mailto:inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org] Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 11:26 AM To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Subject: Re: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] InConJunction Web Page U pdates In the future we could even allow people to vote on the design the like. On Sunday, June 2, 2002, at 11:22 AM, inconjunction- admin@lists.inconjunction.org wrote: > Sounds like a good idea to me. > > On Sunday, June 2, 2002, at 09:51 AM, Hohman, Laura C wrote: > >> One thing you could add to the Dealers' Room page is this year's >> t-shirt >> design. What do you think? >> >> Laura >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org >> To: inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org >> Sent: 6/1/2002 1:11 PM >> Subject: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] InConJunction Web Page >> Updates >> >> As always, the month prior to the convention has been a busy one. Quite >> a few updates have been made to the InConJunction Web Page. The >> following modifications and updates have been made to the InConJunction >> Web page in the last month: >> * The Online Address Book and Online Registration Order Form have been >> updated to address a minor bug >> * The Dealers' Room listing has been updated >> * The Dealers' Room application form has been added to the Dealers' >> Room >> >> page. >> * The Video Room movie list has been updated >> * The Gaming page has been updated >> * Writers' Workshop information has been added along with the ability >> to >> >> sign up for workshops on the Online Registration Order Form >> * The list of Also Appearing guests has been updated >> * The convention committee list was updated to include some minor >> changes >> * Our Artist Guest of Honor, Slawek Wojtowicz, M.D., had to cancel due >> to a personal conflict >> >> For the latest information on InConJunction go to >> http://www.inconjunction.org. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> InConJunctionAnnounce mailing list >> InConJunctionAnnounce@lists.inconjunction.org >> http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunctionannounce >> _______________________________________________ >> InConJunction mailing list >> InConJunction@lists.inconjunction.org >> http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunction >> > > _______________________________________________ > InConJunction mailing list > InConJunction@lists.inconjunction.org > http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunction > _______________________________________________ InConJunction mailing list InConJunction@lists.inconjunction.org http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunction From jthompson@ctigroup.com Thu Jun 06 15:48:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 27450 invoked by uid 102); 6 Jun 2002 15:48:47 -0000 Received: from 168-215-83-163.gen.twtelecom.net (HELO comm1.ctigroup.com) (168.215.83.163) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 6 Jun 2002 15:48:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] InConJunction Web Page U pdates Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:50:08 -0500 Message-ID: <27F6DBC1D445574EAC74942FA5E3FA96415B73@comm1.ctigroup.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] InConJunction Web Page U pdates Thread-Index: AcINcY7L8Qh1NqOOQbeo3QCRWO/7Xg== To: From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Please re-send. Thanks. =09 =09 Jeff Thompson Senior Software Engineer =09 CTI Group, Inc. 333 North Alabama Street, Suite 240 Indianapolis, IN 46204 =09 =09 -----Original Message----- From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org = [mailto:inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:07 AM To: 'inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org' Subject: RE: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] InConJunction Web Page = U pdates Good idea. It would take a little pre-planning, but it should be = do-able. BTW- Do you have the t-shirt design, or should I resend it? Laura -----Original Message----- From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org [mailto:inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org] Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 11:26 AM To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Subject: Re: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] InConJunction Web Page = U pdates In the future we could even allow people to vote on the design the like. On Sunday, June 2, 2002, at 11:22 AM, inconjunction- admin@lists.inconjunction.org wrote: > Sounds like a good idea to me. > > On Sunday, June 2, 2002, at 09:51 AM, Hohman, Laura C wrote: > >> One thing you could add to the Dealers' Room page is this year's >> t-shirt >> design. What do you think? >> >> Laura >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org >> To: inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org >> Sent: 6/1/2002 1:11 PM >> Subject: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] InConJunction Web Page >> Updates >> >> As always, the month prior to the convention has been a busy one. = Quite >> a few updates have been made to the InConJunction Web Page. The >> following modifications and updates have been made to the = InConJunction >> Web page in the last month: >> * The Online Address Book and Online Registration Order Form have = been >> updated to address a minor bug >> * The Dealers' Room listing has been updated >> * The Dealers' Room application form has been added to the Dealers' >> Room >> >> page. >> * The Video Room movie list has been updated >> * The Gaming page has been updated >> * Writers' Workshop information has been added along with the ability >> to >> >> sign up for workshops on the Online Registration Order Form >> * The list of Also Appearing guests has been updated >> * The convention committee list was updated to include some minor >> changes >> * Our Artist Guest of Honor, Slawek Wojtowicz, M.D., had to cancel = due >> to a personal conflict >> >> For the latest information on InConJunction go to >> http://www.inconjunction.org. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> InConJunctionAnnounce mailing list >> InConJunctionAnnounce@lists.inconjunction.org >> http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunctionannounce >> _______________________________________________ >> InConJunction mailing list >> InConJunction@lists.inconjunction.org >> http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunction >> > > _______________________________________________ > InConJunction mailing list > InConJunction@lists.inconjunction.org > http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunction > _______________________________________________ InConJunction mailing list InConJunction@lists.inconjunction.org http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunction _______________________________________________ InConJunction mailing list InConJunction@lists.inconjunction.org http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunction=20 From inconjunctionannounce-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Fri Jun 07 16:28:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 5684 invoked by uid 102); 7 Jun 2002 16:28:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO parn.havencomm.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 16:28:02 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 5670 invoked by uid 102); 7 Jun 2002 16:27:38 -0000 Received: from 168-215-83-163.gen.twtelecom.net (HELO comm1.ctigroup.com) (168.215.83.163) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 16:27:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <27F6DBC1D445574EAC74942FA5E3FA96415D12@comm1.ctigroup.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Special Surprise Last Minute Guest - David Brin Thread-Index: AcIOQCY3xGsAOw9vQW+w0Iu2AwHf5Q== To: X-BeenThere: inconjunctionannounce@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:29:00 -0500 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Subject: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] Special Surprise Last Minute Guest - David Brin Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: David Brin is the acclaimed author of Sundiver, The Practice Effect, and = the "Uplift War" series including, Startide Rising, The Uplift War, = Brightness Reef, Infinity's Shore and Heaven's Reach. David is currently in preliminary discussions about the production of = movies based on his novels Earth, Glory Season and The Uplift War. His = novel The Postman was adapted into the motion picture of the same name = staring Kevin Costner. While the critics were "overly cynical" about the = movie, it is still popular among the fans of David's work. In David's = own words, "It's a flawed and uneven but ambitious rendition of my = story, with some stirring moments and wonderful visual imagery that make = it well worth looking at." David has written many other novels, novellas, novelettes and short = stories and has received eight Hugo Awards, six Locus Awards and two = John W. Campbell Awards for his works. David will be appearing July 5th (Friday only) at InConJunction 2002. More information about David, including his complete bio, his thoughts = on The Postman motion picture, and information about his current = projects, can be found on his web site (http://www.davidbrin.com). =09 =09 Jeff Thompson InConJunction's friendly neighboorhood webmaster =09 =09 _______________________________________________ InConJunctionAnnounce mailing list InConJunctionAnnounce@lists.inconjunction.org http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunctionannounce From ljdunn@sff.net Fri Jun 07 17:07:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 6154 invoked by uid 102); 7 Jun 2002 17:07:14 -0000 Received: from smtp.greyware.com (HELO smtp.sff.net) (208.14.208.51) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 17:07:14 -0000 Received: from smtp.sff.net (smtp.sff.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sff.net (Greyware Mailman 1.1.b.20020524R) via FILE ; Fri, 07 Jun 2002 12:06:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 12:06:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] Special Surprise Last Minute Guest - David Brin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--GW-43597.21-Mailman--" To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ----GW-43597.21-Mailman-- Content-Type: text/plain; Charset="US-ASCII" Please note that the last e-mail I had from David Brin indicated that this would be a very brief visit. A group is bringing him in to speak at a breakfast meeting and then again later in the day. Thus, he plans to stop by between the time he fulfills his obligations to that organization and the time he needs to catch his flight out. He will, however, be autographing copies without charge. [grin] g,d,& rvvvvvvf Note that I do NOT oppose actors selling autographs and agree that the only concern is that everyone realize this before approaching them for an autograph. --- Original Message --- From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org To: CC: Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:29:00 -0500 Subject: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] Special Surprise Last Minute Guest - David Brin > David Brin is the acclaimed author of Sundiver, The Practice Effect, and the "Uplift War" series including, Startide Rising, The Uplift War, Brightness Reef, Infinity's Shore and Heaven's Reach. > > David is currently in preliminary discussions about the production of movies based on his novels Earth, Glory Season and The Uplift War. His novel The Postman was adapted into the motion picture of the same name staring Kevin Costner. While the critics were "overly cynical" about the movie, it is still popular among the fans of David's work. In David's own words, "It's a flawed and uneven but ambitious rendition of my story, with some stirring moments and wonderful visual imagery that make it well worth looking at." > > David has written many other novels, novellas, novelettes and short stories and has received eight Hugo Awards, six Locus Awards and two John W. Campbell Awards for his works. > > David will be appearing July 5th (Friday only) at InConJunction 2002. > > More information about David, including his complete bio, his thoughts on The Postman motion picture, and information about his current projects, can be found on his web site (http://www.davidbrin.com). > > > > > > Jeff Thompson > InConJunction's friendly neighboorhood webmaster > > > > _______________________________________________ > InConJunctionAnnounce mailing list > InConJunctionAnnounce@lists.inconjunction.org > http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunctionannounce > _______________________________________________ > InConJunction mailing list > InConJunction@lists.inconjunction.org > http://www.inconjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/inconjunction ----GW-43597.21-Mailman---- From DavidHenninger@cs.com Sat Jun 08 00:52:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 9582 invoked by uid 102); 8 Jun 2002 00:52:58 -0000 Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.99) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 00:52:58 -0000 Received: from DavidHenninger@cs.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id c.134.f70f709 (4469) for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 20:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <134.f70f709.2a32af3b@cs.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 20:52:11 EDT Subject: Re: [InConJunction] [InConJunction News] Special Surprise Last Minute Guest -... To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_134.f70f709.2a32af3b_boundary" X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 6.0 for Windows US sub 10511 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --part1_134.f70f709.2a32af3b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He's a great writer. He's also a jerk. I've met him. DAH --part1_134.f70f709.2a32af3b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He's a great writer.  He's also a jerk.  I've met him.

DAH --part1_134.f70f709.2a32af3b_boundary-- From Sargentjsrg@aol.com Sat Jun 08 02:01:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 10097 invoked by uid 102); 8 Jun 2002 02:01:44 -0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.35) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 02:01:44 -0000 Received: from Sargentjsrg@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id c.cc.ca794cd (2614) for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 22:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 22:00:51 EDT To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cc.ca794cd.2a32bf53_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Subject: [InConJunction] Re: Good Writer/Jerk Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --part1_cc.ca794cd.2a32bf53_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How so? Is it David Brin? I've never met him, so I can't say. But I have read some of his stuff: "Otherness", and "Sundiver", and one of his franchise-universe versions of another universe. I think it was the one set in Asimov's "Foundation" universe. (He basically retooled Asimov's hyperdrive to suit the story, but otherwise I liked it. I also liked the story in "Sundiver", especially the part about the invention of the first written Native American language.) John Sargent --part1_cc.ca794cd.2a32bf53_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    How so?
    Is it David Brin?  I've never met him, so I can't say.  But I have read some of his stuff:  "Otherness", and "Sundiver", and one of his franchise-universe versions of another universe.  I think it was the one set in Asimov's "Foundation" universe.  (He basically retooled Asimov's hyperdrive to suit the story, but otherwise I liked it.  I also liked the story in "Sundiver", especially the part about the invention of the first written Native American language.)
                                                     John Sargent
--part1_cc.ca794cd.2a32bf53_boundary-- From DavidHenninger@cs.com Sat Jun 08 04:01:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 10936 invoked by uid 102); 8 Jun 2002 04:01:16 -0000 Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.34) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 04:01:16 -0000 Received: from DavidHenninger@cs.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id c.168.ebdd3e9 (4403) for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 00:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <168.ebdd3e9.2a32db55@cs.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 00:00:21 EDT Subject: Re: [InConJunction] Re: Good Writer/Jerk To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_168.ebdd3e9.2a32db55_boundary" X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 6.0 for Windows US sub 10511 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --part1_168.ebdd3e9.2a32db55_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the same guy who wrote "The Postman" and "Star Tide Rising", right? Also good novels. I just want to be sure I'm talking about the right individual. I would hate to say something uncomplimentary about the wrong person and I have been known to get writers confused. I saw Brin (The author of the Postman) at Context just before the movie of that book came out. He was on a panel with two other writers. He was arrogant, boastful, and tended to run over the others when they were talking. He let everyone know that only his opinions mattered while ridiculing those of the others. He was being a jerk. This is separate from his ability to write. His books have won awards and deservedly so. Jackson Pollack was a genius of an artist. He was also an alcoholic blowhard. Vincent Van Gogh was insane. David Brin is a jerk IMHO. If he is here for only a short time that's perfect. We get the advantage of his appearance and we don't have to put up with him for very long. DAH --part1_168.ebdd3e9.2a32db55_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the same guy who wrote "The Postman" and "Star Tide Rising", right?  Also good novels.  I just want to be sure I'm talking about the right individual.  I would hate to say something uncomplimentary about the wrong person and I have been known to get writers confused.

I saw Brin (The author of the Postman) at Context just before the movie of that book came out.  He was on a panel with two other writers.  He was arrogant, boastful, and tended to run over the others when they were talking.  He let everyone know that only his opinions mattered while ridiculing those of the others.  He was being a jerk.

This is separate from his ability to write.  His books have won awards and deservedly so.  Jackson Pollack was a genius of an artist.  He was also an alcoholic blowhard.  Vincent Van Gogh was insane.

David Brin is a jerk IMHO.

If he is here for only a short time that's perfect.  We get the advantage of his appearance and we don't have to put up with him for very long.

DAH --part1_168.ebdd3e9.2a32db55_boundary-- From Sargentjsrg@aol.com Sat Jun 08 04:15:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 11102 invoked by uid 102); 8 Jun 2002 04:15:49 -0000 Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.164) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 04:15:49 -0000 Received: from Sargentjsrg@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id c.9f.2856e953 (25713) for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 00:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9f.2856e953.2a32dec9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 00:15:05 EDT To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9f.2856e953.2a32dec9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Subject: [InConJunction] David Brin Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --part1_9f.2856e953.2a32dec9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah, well. You're right. unfortunately, about talent talent not necessarily going hand-in-hand with being a nice person. I've never met the man. This isn't another controversy brewing, like the autograph thingy, is it? (Although reading some of these e-mail arguments can occasionally be fun and informative.) John Sargent --part1_9f.2856e953.2a32dec9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    Ah, well.  You're right. unfortunately, about talent talent not necessarily going hand-in-hand with being a nice person.  I've never met the man.  This isn't another controversy brewing, like the autograph thingy, is it?
    (Although reading some of these e-mail arguments can occasionally be fun and informative.)
                                                          John Sargent
--part1_9f.2856e953.2a32dec9_boundary-- From ljdunn@sff.net Sat Jun 08 12:09:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 13535 invoked by uid 102); 8 Jun 2002 12:09:18 -0000 Received: from smtp.greyware.com (HELO smtp.sff.net) (208.14.208.51) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 12:09:18 -0000 Received: from Dunnsdale1 (12-222-0-69.client.insightBB.com [12.222.0.69]) by smtp.sff.net (Greyware Mailman 1.1.b.20020524R) with ESMTP ID ; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 07:08:40 -0500 Message-ID: <005001c20ee5$3d597e10$3200a8c0@Dunnsdale1> To: References: <9f.2856e953.2a32dec9@aol.com> Subject: Re: [InConJunction] David Brin Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 07:08:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C20EBB.5434B9D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Exempt-Data: No X-Exempt-IP: No X-Envelope-From: ljdunn@sff.net X-Authenticated-Sender: ljdunn From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C20EBB.5434B9D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sincerelyhope it's not another argument brewing. David Brin (and a = few other authors I can name but won't) can be much like a WalMart = greeter in that if you never see them outside their job, they seem like = wonderfully happy and delightful people to know. I suspect, however, = that a few of them (referring only to WalMart greeters here) may be = walking rectums who have simply learned how to put on a pleasant, public = face. =20 I've never known David to be less than charming in an autograph line and = one-on-one, he can be quite incredible. He is a very talented writer = and highly intelligent. He does, however, have an unfortunate tendency = to take over panels to voice his own opinions to the point of drowning = out anyone else with an opposing opinion.=20 Since he won't be here long enough to do a panel and since he will = probably spend most of the time autographing and/or mingling with the = fans, I strongly suspect that everyone's encounter with him will be a = positive one. =20 Please note also that this is not yet carved in stone. When I last = heard from him, he was checking flight schedules (he cannot change his = return flight) and contacting bookseller Larry Smith to see if (1) Larry = could get his new books and (2) Brin could autograph them. Authors love to autograph books. Bookstores cannot remainder the books = after they've been autographed. [grin] Ah, well. You're right. unfortunately, about talent talent not = necessarily going hand-in-hand with being a nice person. I've never met = the man. This isn't another controversy brewing, like the autograph = thingy, is it?=20 (Although reading some of these e-mail arguments can occasionally = be fun and informative.)=20 John Sargent = FWIW, I have met many writers who have disappointed me by being = nothing like what I expected from reading their work. The long standing = in-joke is that writers have to be a little psychotic to write. After = all, we create worlds, put characters through hell, and sometimes kill = wonderful people just for the sheer fun of it. Full time writers = immerse themselves in strange worlds and play ghod for hours at a time. = Sometimes they become a little full of their own sense of = self-importance. I could name some other authors who have been labeled as jerks, but = then the SFWA assasins would come after me.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C20EBB.5434B9D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I sincerelyhope it's not another = argument=20 brewing.  David Brin (and a few other authors I can name but won't) = can be=20 much like a WalMart greeter in that if you never see them outside their = job,=20 they seem like wonderfully happy and delightful people to = know.  I=20 suspect, however, that a few of them (referring only to WalMart greeters = here)=20 may be walking rectums who have simply learned how to put on a pleasant, = public=20 face. 
 
I've never known David to be less than = charming in=20 an autograph line and one-on-one, he can be quite incredible.  He = is a very=20 talented writer and highly intelligent. He does, however, have an = unfortunate=20 tendency to take over panels to voice his own opinions to the point of = drowning=20 out anyone else with an opposing opinion.
 
Since he won't be here long enough to = do a panel=20 and since he will probably spend most of the time autographing and/or = mingling=20 with the fans, I strongly suspect that everyone's encounter with him = will be a=20 positive one. 
 
Please note also that this is not yet = carved in=20 stone.  When I last heard from him, he was checking flight = schedules (he=20 cannot change his return flight) and contacting bookseller Larry Smith = to see if=20 (1) Larry could get his new books and (2) Brin could autograph=20 them.
 
Authors love to autograph books.  = Bookstores=20 cannot remainder the books after they've been autographed. =20 [grin]
 
   Ah, = well.=20  You're right. unfortunately, about talent talent not necessarily = going=20 hand-in-hand with being a nice person.  I've never met the man.=20  This isn't another controversy brewing, like the autograph = thingy, is=20 it?
    (Although reading some of these e-mail = arguments can occasionally be fun and informative.)=20 =
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =           John=20 Sargent
FWIW, I have met many writers who have disappointed me by being = nothing=20 like what I expected from reading their work.  The long standing = in-joke=20 is that writers have to be a little psychotic to write.  After = all, we=20 create worlds, put characters through hell, and sometimes kill = wonderful=20 people just for the sheer fun of it.  Full time writers immerse=20 themselves in strange worlds and play ghod for hours at a = time. Sometimes=20 they become a little full of their own sense of self-importance.
 
I could name some other authors who have been = labeled as jerks,=20 but then the SFWA assasins would come after=20 me. 
 ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C20EBB.5434B9D0-- From andya@indy.net Sat Jun 08 14:42:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 14388 invoked by uid 102); 8 Jun 2002 14:42:00 -0000 Received: from sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net (207.217.120.182) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 14:42:00 -0000 Received: from ip209-183-71-115.ts.indy.net ([209.183.71.115] helo=hppav) by sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17GhPK-0002rV-00 for inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 07:41:35 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c20ef2$c9c06960$7347b7d1@hppav> To: References: <9f.2856e953.2a32dec9@aol.com> <005001c20ee5$3d597e10$3200a8c0@Dunnsdale1> Subject: Re: [InConJunction] David Brin Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 09:45:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C20ED1.419A9A40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C20ED1.419A9A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All: David Brin and I flipped e-mail about the last time I was a con = chair. We were looking at the idea of him stopping out this way and = meeting with the club some weekend when he was in town because of = family. Didn't work out, just a little history lesson. Andy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org=20 To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [InConJunction] David Brin I sincerelyhope it's not another argument brewing. David Brin (and a = few other authors I can name but won't) can be much like a WalMart = greeter in that if you never see them outside their job, they seem like = wonderfully happy and delightful people to know. I suspect, however, = that a few of them (referring only to WalMart greeters here) may be = walking rectums who have simply learned how to put on a pleasant, public = face. =20 =20 I've never known David to be less than charming in an autograph line = and one-on-one, he can be quite incredible. He is a very talented = writer and highly intelligent. He does, however, have an unfortunate = tendency to take over panels to voice his own opinions to the point of = drowning out anyone else with an opposing opinion.=20 =20 Since he won't be here long enough to do a panel and since he will = probably spend most of the time autographing and/or mingling with the = fans, I strongly suspect that everyone's encounter with him will be a = positive one. =20 =20 Please note also that this is not yet carved in stone. When I last = heard from him, he was checking flight schedules (he cannot change his = return flight) and contacting bookseller Larry Smith to see if (1) Larry = could get his new books and (2) Brin could autograph them. =20 Authors love to autograph books. Bookstores cannot remainder the = books after they've been autographed. [grin] =20 Ah, well. You're right. unfortunately, about talent talent not = necessarily going hand-in-hand with being a nice person. I've never met = the man. This isn't another controversy brewing, like the autograph = thingy, is it?=20 (Although reading some of these e-mail arguments can = occasionally be fun and informative.)=20 John = Sargent=20 FWIW, I have met many writers who have disappointed me by being = nothing like what I expected from reading their work. The long standing = in-joke is that writers have to be a little psychotic to write. After = all, we create worlds, put characters through hell, and sometimes kill = wonderful people just for the sheer fun of it. Full time writers = immerse themselves in strange worlds and play ghod for hours at a time. = Sometimes they become a little full of their own sense of = self-importance. I could name some other authors who have been labeled as jerks, but = then the SFWA assasins would come after me.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C20ED1.419A9A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All:
   David Brin and I flipped = e-mail about=20 the last time I was a con chair.  We were looking at the idea of = him=20 stopping out this way and meeting with the club some weekend when he was = in town=20 because of family.  Didn't work out, just a little history=20 lesson.
 
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 inconjunction-admin@l= ists.inconjunction.org=20
To: inconjunction@lists.inconju= nction.org=20
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 = 8:08=20 AM
Subject: Re: [InConJunction] = David=20 Brin

I sincerelyhope it's not another = argument=20 brewing.  David Brin (and a few other authors I can name but = won't) can=20 be much like a WalMart greeter in that if you never see them outside = their=20 job, they seem like wonderfully happy and delightful people to=20 know.  I suspect, however, that a few of them (referring only to = WalMart=20 greeters here) may be walking rectums who have simply learned how to = put on a=20 pleasant, public face. 
 
I've never known David to be less = than charming=20 in an autograph line and one-on-one, he can be quite incredible.  = He is a=20 very talented writer and highly intelligent. He does, however, have an = unfortunate tendency to take over panels to voice his own opinions to = the=20 point of drowning out anyone else with an opposing opinion. =
 
Since he won't be here long enough to = do a panel=20 and since he will probably spend most of the time autographing and/or = mingling=20 with the fans, I strongly suspect that everyone's encounter with him = will be a=20 positive one. 
 
Please note also that this is not yet = carved in=20 stone.  When I last heard from him, he was checking flight = schedules (he=20 cannot change his return flight) and contacting bookseller Larry Smith = to see=20 if (1) Larry could get his new books and (2) Brin could autograph=20 them.
 
Authors love to autograph = books.  Bookstores=20 cannot remainder the books after they've been autographed. =20 [grin]
 
   Ah, well.=20  You're right. unfortunately, about talent talent not = necessarily going=20 hand-in-hand with being a nice person.  I've never met the man. =  This isn't another controversy brewing, like the autograph = thingy, is=20 it?
    (Although reading some of these = e-mail=20 arguments can occasionally be fun and informative.)=20 =
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =           John=20 Sargent
FWIW, I have met many writers who have disappointed me by being = nothing=20 like what I expected from reading their work.  The long = standing=20 in-joke is that writers have to be a little psychotic to = write.  After=20 all, we create worlds, put characters through hell, and sometimes = kill=20 wonderful people just for the sheer fun of it.  Full time = writers=20 immerse themselves in strange worlds and play ghod for hours at a=20 time. Sometimes they become a little full of their own sense of = self-importance.
 
I could name some other authors who have been = labeled as=20 jerks, but then the SFWA assasins would come after=20 = me. 
= ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C20ED1.419A9A40-- From DavidHenninger@cs.com Sat Jun 08 20:07:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 16083 invoked by uid 102); 8 Jun 2002 20:07:34 -0000 Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.33) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 20:07:34 -0000 Received: from DavidHenninger@cs.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id c.11d.123c9097 (4530) for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11d.123c9097.2a33bdd7@cs.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:06:47 EDT Subject: Re: [InConJunction] David Brin To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11d.123c9097.2a33bdd7_boundary" X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 6.0 for Windows US sub 10511 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --part1_11d.123c9097.2a33bdd7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see no controversy. I think it's great that he's coming. Brin is very famous and a feather in our cap. We just have to put up with him or a short time. Besides, maybe he'll surprise me and be on good behavior. We've put up with difficult GoHs and jerks in the past. DAH --part1_11d.123c9097.2a33bdd7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see no controversy.  I think it's great that he's coming.  Brin is very famous and a feather in our cap.  We just have to put up with him or a short time.  Besides, maybe he'll surprise me and be on good behavior.

We've put up with difficult GoHs and jerks in the past.

DAH --part1_11d.123c9097.2a33bdd7_boundary-- From jeffthompson@mac.com Sat Jun 08 21:35:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 16629 invoked by uid 102); 8 Jun 2002 21:35:26 -0000 Received: from smtpout.mac.com (204.179.120.89) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 21:35:26 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay02-en1.mac.com (smtp-relay02-en1 [10.13.10.225]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g58LZ8kv005731 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay02-en1.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g58LZ3Ks029016 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thompson.homeip.net ([68.58.56.69]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GXEPAE00.609 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:35:02 -0700 Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:34:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [InConJunction] David Brin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-167739476 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org In-Reply-To: <11d.123c9097.2a33bdd7@cs.com> Message-Id: <93620E18-7B27-11D6-B995-003065B8BDA8@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --Apple-Mail-1-167739476 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The one positive thing about difficult GOH's is that people keep talking=20= about them, and the convention they were at, for YEARS to come. Like the=20= man says, there's no such thing as bad publicity. On Saturday, June 8, 2002, at 03:06 PM, inconjunction- admin@lists.inconjunction.org wrote: > I see no controversy. =A0I think it's great that he's coming. =A0Brin = is=20 > very famous and a feather in our cap. =A0We just have to put up with = him=20 > or a short time. =A0Besides, maybe he'll surprise me and be on good=20 > behavior. > > We've put up with difficult GoHs and jerks in the past. > > DAH > --Apple-Mail-1-167739476 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 The one positive thing about difficult GOH's is that people keep talking about them, and the convention they were at, for YEARS to come. Like the man says, there's no such thing as bad publicity. On Saturday, June 8, 2002, at 03:06 PM, inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org wrote: ArialI see no controversy. =A0I think it's great that he's coming. =A0Brin is very famous and a feather in our cap. =A0We just have to put up with him or a short time. =A0Besides, maybe he'll surprise me and be on good behavior. We've put up with difficult GoHs and jerks in the past. DAH = --Apple-Mail-1-167739476-- From r2b9@earthlink.net Sun Jun 09 20:58:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 26792 invoked by uid 102); 9 Jun 2002 20:58:06 -0000 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (207.217.120.49) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 20:58:06 -0000 Received: from 1cust19.tnt3.westfield.in.da.uu.net ([63.20.125.211] helo=earthlink.net) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17H9l0-0002CT-00 for inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 13:57:50 -0700 Message-ID: <3D03C47E.3597F6DB@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 16:11:26 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-{C-UDP; MacWorld Expo} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Subject: Re: [InConJunction] Re: Good Writer/Jerk References: <168.ebdd3e9.2a32db55@cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Jackson Pollock a genius? Jack the Dripper?... well, to each his own. He was interesting, but I think genius is a bit generous. Van Gogh? Yes, he qualifies as genius. An insane one, but a genius nonetheless. --George inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org wrote: > Jackson Pollack was a genius of an artist. He was also an alcoholic > blowhard. Vincent Van Gogh was insane. > DAH From Sargentjsrg@aol.com Sun Jun 09 21:11:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 26958 invoked by uid 102); 9 Jun 2002 21:11:02 -0000 Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.162) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 21:11:02 -0000 Received: from Sargentjsrg@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id c.103.167e566b (18709) for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 17:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <103.167e566b.2a351e3f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 17:10:23 EDT To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_103.167e566b.2a351e3f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Subject: [InConJunction] Jackson Pollock/David Brin/Writers In General Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --part1_103.167e566b.2a351e3f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What have I started here? I was just wondering what David Brin was like in person. John Sargent --part1_103.167e566b.2a351e3f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    What have I started here?
    I was just wondering what David Brin was like in person.
                                                 John Sargent
--part1_103.167e566b.2a351e3f_boundary-- From DavidHenninger@cs.com Mon Jun 10 18:48:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 505 invoked by uid 102); 10 Jun 2002 18:48:30 -0000 Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.8) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 18:48:30 -0000 Received: from DavidHenninger@cs.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id c.88.1961aa76 (4530) for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <88.1961aa76.2a364e46@cs.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:47:34 EDT Subject: Re: [InConJunction] Re: Good Writer/Jerk To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_88.1961aa76.2a364e46_boundary" X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 6.0 for Windows US sub 10511 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --part1_88.1961aa76.2a364e46_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recent analysis of Pollocks paintings reveal them to be quite similar to fractal imagery. Patterns repeat in each work in almost mathematical rhythms. This has more than a few shaking their heads. DAH --part1_88.1961aa76.2a364e46_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recent analysis of Pollocks paintings reveal them to be quite similar to fractal imagery.  Patterns repeat in each work in almost mathematical rhythms.  This has more than a few shaking their heads.

DAH --part1_88.1961aa76.2a364e46_boundary-- From DavidHenninger@cs.com Mon Jun 10 18:48:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 510 invoked by uid 102); 10 Jun 2002 18:48:31 -0000 Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.8) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 18:48:31 -0000 Received: from DavidHenninger@cs.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id c.118.12c1cb03 (4530) for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <118.12c1cb03.2a364e47@cs.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:47:35 EDT Subject: Re: [InConJunction] Jackson Pollock/David Brin/Writers In General To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_118.12c1cb03.2a364e47_boundary" X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 6.0 for Windows US sub 10511 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --part1_118.12c1cb03.2a364e47_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought I started it. DAH --part1_118.12c1cb03.2a364e47_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought I started it.

DAH --part1_118.12c1cb03.2a364e47_boundary-- From Sargentjsrg@aol.com Mon Jun 10 20:19:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 1569 invoked by uid 102); 10 Jun 2002 20:19:55 -0000 Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.4) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 20:19:55 -0000 Received: from Sargentjsrg@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id c.13d.f95aa69 (26118) for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <13d.f95aa69.2a3663c2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:19:14 EDT To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13d.f95aa69.2a3663c2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Subject: [InConJunction] Writers/Brin/Pollock Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --part1_13d.f95aa69.2a3663c2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Temporal causality loop? (Was it cause or effect? Which came first?) John Sargent --part1_13d.f95aa69.2a3663c2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    Temporal causality loop?  (Was it cause or effect?  Which came first?)
                                                            John Sargent
--part1_13d.f95aa69.2a3663c2_boundary-- From Sargentjsrg@aol.com Mon Jun 10 20:27:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 1718 invoked by uid 102); 10 Jun 2002 20:27:56 -0000 Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.164) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 20:27:56 -0000 Received: from Sargentjsrg@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id c.20.2a114964 (26118) for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20.2a114964.2a36659f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:27:11 EDT To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_20.2a114964.2a36659f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Subject: [InConJunction] Writers Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --part1_20.2a114964.2a36659f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have you ever read "By His Bootstraps" by Heinlein? Good vicious-time-circle story, in which the hero becomes his own parents, through time travel and genetic resequencing to become both his mother and his father. Sometimes, trying to figure things like that out gives me a headache. (Another one along that line was "The Man Who Folded Himself" by David Gerrold. The hero meets his female alternate from another timeline and becomes his own parents.) John Sargent --part1_20.2a114964.2a36659f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    Have you ever read "By His Bootstraps" by Heinlein?  Good vicious-time-circle story, in which the hero becomes his own parents, through time travel and genetic resequencing to become both his mother and his father.
    Sometimes, trying to figure things like that out gives me a headache.
    (Another one along that line was "The Man Who Folded Himself" by David Gerrold.  The hero meets his female alternate from another timeline and becomes his own parents.)
                                                   John Sargent
--part1_20.2a114964.2a36659f_boundary-- From ljdunn@sff.net Mon Jun 10 23:02:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 3050 invoked by uid 102); 10 Jun 2002 23:02:25 -0000 Received: from smtp.greyware.com (HELO smtp.sff.net) (208.14.208.51) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 23:02:25 -0000 Received: from Dunnsdale1 (12-222-0-69.client.insightBB.com [12.222.0.69]) by smtp.sff.net (Greyware Mailman 1.1.b.20020524R) with ESMTP ID ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:01:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c210d2$cfab6cd0$3200a8c0@Dunnsdale1> To: References: <20.2a114964.2a36659f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [InConJunction] Writers Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:01:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C210A8.E67877C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Exempt-Data: No X-Exempt-IP: No X-Envelope-From: ljdunn@sff.net X-Authenticated-Sender: ljdunn From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C210A8.E67877C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't remember the title, but there was another story in either = Asimovs or Analog in which someone travels back in time to bring back a = famous polar explorer who died. One shoe was missing. They had to be = careful to get the correct shoe and when they prepared to leave, they = discovered they had the wrong shoe, thus changing reality. The = protaganist had always wondered who her father was and why she was so = ugly. [grin] She becomes her own mother by using the frozen semen of = the explorer to impregnate herself and then raises herself in the = alternate reality. =20 A recursive loop. In SUMMER OF LOVE (a novel), a youth travels back in time to insure his = many-times-grandmother fulfills her destiny. He discovers she's had an = abortion and the story ends with them deciding to fix that problem and = thus he becomes his own many-times great grandfather. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org=20 To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 3:27 PM Subject: [InConJunction] Writers Have you ever read "By His Bootstraps" by Heinlein? Good = vicious-time-circle story, in which the hero becomes his own parents, = through time travel and genetic resequencing to become both his mother = and his father.=20 Sometimes, trying to figure things like that out gives me a = headache.=20 (Another one along that line was "The Man Who Folded Himself" by = David Gerrold. The hero meets his female alternate from another = timeline and becomes his own parents.)=20 John Sargent=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C210A8.E67877C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can't remember the title, but there = was another=20 story in either Asimovs or Analog in which someone travels back in time = to bring=20 back a famous polar explorer who died.  One shoe was missing.  = They=20 had to be careful to get the correct shoe and when they prepared to = leave, they=20 discovered they had the wrong shoe, thus changing reality.  The = protaganist=20 had always wondered who her father was and why she was so ugly. = [grin]  She=20 becomes her own mother by using the frozen semen of the explorer to = impregnate=20 herself and then raises herself in the alternate reality.  =
 
A recursive loop.
 
In SUMMER OF LOVE (a novel), a youth = travels back=20 in time to insure his many-times-grandmother fulfills her destiny.  = He=20 discovers she's had an abortion and the story ends with them deciding to = fix=20 that problem and thus he becomes his own many-times great=20 grandfather.
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   Have=20 you ever read "By His Bootstraps" by Heinlein?  Good = vicious-time-circle=20 story, in which the hero becomes his own parents, through time travel = and=20 genetic resequencing to become both his mother and his father.=20
    Sometimes, trying to figure things like = that out=20 gives me a headache.
    (Another one along = that line=20 was "The Man Who Folded Himself" by David Gerrold.  The hero = meets his=20 female alternate from another timeline and becomes his own parents.)=20 =
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =    John=20 Sargent
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C210A8.E67877C0-- From DavidHenninger@cs.com Tue Jun 11 01:33:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 3883 invoked by uid 102); 11 Jun 2002 01:33:48 -0000 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.161) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 01:33:48 -0000 Received: from DavidHenninger@cs.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id c.99.27ba6715 (3957) for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <99.27ba6715.2a36ad54@cs.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:33:08 EDT Subject: Re: [InConJunction] Writers/Brin/Pollock To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_99.27ba6715.2a36ad54_boundary" X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 6.0 for Windows US sub 10511 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --part1_99.27ba6715.2a36ad54_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm a bit confused. Think you're talking about Pollock and fractals. If so Pollock predates fractal by quite some time. It was just the way his mind worked. Maybe there was something related to autism or obsesive/compulsive disorder. May be he was just a phenomena. Who knows? DAH --part1_99.27ba6715.2a36ad54_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm a bit confused.  Think you're talking about Pollock and fractals.  If so Pollock predates fractal by quite some time.  It was just the way his mind worked.  Maybe there was something related to autism or obsesive/compulsive disorder.  May be he was just a phenomena.  Who knows?

DAH --part1_99.27ba6715.2a36ad54_boundary-- From DavidHenninger@cs.com Tue Jun 11 01:34:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 3895 invoked by uid 102); 11 Jun 2002 01:34:02 -0000 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.161) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 01:34:02 -0000 Received: from DavidHenninger@cs.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id c.11b.11e1ce14 (3957) for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11b.11e1ce14.2a36ad55@cs.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:33:09 EDT Subject: Re: [InConJunction] Writers To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11b.11e1ce14.2a36ad55_boundary" X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 6.0 for Windows US sub 10511 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --part1_11b.11e1ce14.2a36ad55_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And you can't go back in time to change history. It works (doesn't work) like this: Suppose there was a single event that caused a war. You go back in time to prevent that event and prevent the war, you are successful. But now there is / never was, a war. Since now you have never experienced the war, it isn't in your history and in fact never happened you have no knowledge at all of the war and you don't go back in time to stop the event that caused the war. So, of course the war happens anyway and you must go back in time to stop the event that caused the war. This goes on.. Yeah, I know. You heard this one already. I love this stuff. Those stories you mentioned are good to but time travel has some serious flaws. DAH --part1_11b.11e1ce14.2a36ad55_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And you can't go back in time to change history.  It works (doesn't work) like this:

Suppose there was a single event that caused a war.  You go back in time to prevent that event and prevent the war, you are successful.  But now there is / never was, a war.  Since now you have never experienced the war, it isn't in your history and in fact never happened you have no knowledge at all of the war and you don't go back in time to stop the event that caused the war.  So, of course the war happens anyway and you must go back in time to stop the event that caused the war.  This goes on..

Yeah, I know.  You heard this one already. I love this stuff.  Those stories you mentioned are good to but time travel has some serious flaws.

DAH --part1_11b.11e1ce14.2a36ad55_boundary-- From brooksar@indy.net Tue Jun 11 01:48:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 4243 invoked by uid 102); 11 Jun 2002 01:48:37 -0000 Received: from epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net (207.217.120.181) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 01:48:37 -0000 Received: from ip209-183-70-1.ts.indy.net ([209.183.70.1] helo=indy.net) by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17Halk-0003Wc-00 for inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:48:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3D0556E9.7070801@indy.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:48:25 -0500 Organization: Die Kaiserliche-und-Konigliche Kriegsmarine Fan Club User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Subject: Re: [InConJunction] Pollock References: <99.27ba6715.2a36ad54@cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Yes, Pollock predates the development of Fractals - but the analysis shows that his art has the "order of complexity" of fractals - in a way that other people spilling things at random does not. -Brooks From Sargentjsrg@aol.com Tue Jun 11 01:56:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 4363 invoked by uid 102); 11 Jun 2002 01:56:03 -0000 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.6) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 01:56:03 -0000 Received: from Sargentjsrg@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id c.2f.28904778 (3949) for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2f.28904778.2a36b28a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:55:22 EDT To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2f.28904778.2a36b28a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Subject: [InConJunction] Writers And Time Travel Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --part1_2f.28904778.2a36b28a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What about alternate timelines, or alternate quantum realities? Of course, there would be the problem of how the Time Traveler would make the transition from one time-track to the other. If he actually participated in the events that he changed, wouldn't that protect him somehow? John Sargent --part1_2f.28904778.2a36b28a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    What about alternate timelines, or alternate quantum realities?
    Of course, there would be the problem of how the Time Traveler would make the transition from one time-track to the other.  If he actually participated in the events that he changed, wouldn't that protect him somehow?
                                                       John Sargent --part1_2f.28904778.2a36b28a_boundary-- From ccanary@havencomm.com Tue Jun 11 02:08:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 4532 invoked by uid 102); 11 Jun 2002 02:08:55 -0000 Received: from smtp.comcast.net (24.153.64.2) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 02:08:55 -0000 Received: from cc1955902a (pcp982828pcs.northw01.in.comcast.net [68.58.57.236]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 13 2002)) with SMTP id <0GXI0012AR9OIP@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:09:07 -0500 Subject: RE: [InConJunction] Writers In-reply-to: <11b.11e1ce14.2a36ad55@cs.com> To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Message-id: <000a01c210ec$f8af4ec0$ec393a44@cc1955902a> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Djja58nkCYlLVnCehIIsdg)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Djja58nkCYlLVnCehIIsdg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dave, I'm curious if you saw the movie "Frequency", and if so, your thoughts on it. Thanks, Chris -----Original Message----- From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org [mailto:inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 8:33 PM To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Subject: Re: [InConJunction] Writers And you can't go back in time to change history. It works (doesn't work) like this: Suppose there was a single event that caused a war. You go back in time to prevent that event and prevent the war, you are successful. But now there is / never was, a war. Since now you have never experienced the war, it isn't in your history and in fact never happened you have no knowledge at all of the war and you don't go back in time to stop the event that caused the war. So, of course the war happens anyway and you must go back in time to stop the event that caused the war. This goes on.. Yeah, I know. You heard this one already. I love this stuff. Those stories you mentioned are good to but time travel has some serious flaws. DAH --Boundary_(ID_Djja58nkCYlLVnCehIIsdg) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Dave,
  I'm curious if you saw the movie "Frequency", and if so, your thoughts on it.
  Thanks,
  Chris
 
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And you can't go back in time to change history.  It works (doesn't work) like this:

Suppose there was a single event that caused a war.  You go back in time to prevent that event and prevent the war, you are successful.  But now there is / never was, a war.  Since now you have never experienced the war, it isn't in your history and in fact never happened you have no knowledge at all of the war and you don't go back in time to stop the event that caused the war.  So, of course the war happens anyway and you must go back in time to stop the event that caused the war.  This goes on..

Yeah, I know.  You heard this one already. I love this stuff.  Those stories you mentioned are good to but time travel has some serious flaws.

DAH
--Boundary_(ID_Djja58nkCYlLVnCehIIsdg)-- From jeffthompson@mac.com Tue Jun 11 02:28:46 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 4685 invoked by uid 102); 11 Jun 2002 02:28:46 -0000 Received: from smtpout.mac.com (204.179.120.88) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 02:28:46 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay.mac.com (smtp-relay01-en1 [10.13.10.224]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g5B2SOO3015741 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3 [10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g5B2SJrE003774 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thompson.homeip.net ([68.58.56.69]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GXIS7600.317 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:28:18 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:28:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [InConJunction] Writers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-358140180 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org In-Reply-To: <11b.11e1ce14.2a36ad55@cs.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --Apple-Mail-1-358140180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Unless you subscribe to the Quantum/Alternate Realities concept. You=20 just plain can't travel back in time; only sideways in various versions=20= of the universe in which the only difference is that time is "offset" by=20= variable amounts. So, in your example, I travel to an alternate universe=20= which is offset by the appropriate number of years to effect THAT=20 universes time-line - and prevent the war. I then have created a new=20 branch universe in which the war was prevented. I then CAN travel=20 forward in time (we do this all the time) to the future in this NEW=20 universe in which the war was prevented... unfortunately this type of=20 time travel is the selfish variety, since only the "time traveler" can=20= enjoy the benefits of the creation of the alternate time-line.. well him=20= and everyone else in the new universe. Theorists believe this type of "time travel" is what accounts for the=20 apparent appearance of particles in a particle accelerator, BEFORE the=20= impact occurs. They come from another Quantum Reality. jnt On Monday, June 10, 2002, at 08:33 PM, inconjunction- admin@lists.inconjunction.org wrote: > And you can't go back in time to change history. =A0It works (doesn't=20= > work) like this: > > Suppose there was a single event that caused a war. =A0You go back in=20= > time to prevent that event and prevent the war, you are successful.=20 > =A0But now there is / never was, a war. =A0Since now you have never=20 > experienced the war, it isn't in your history and in fact never=20 > happened you have no knowledge at all of the war and you don't go back=20= > in time to stop the event that caused the war. =A0So, of course the = war=20 > happens anyway and you must go back in time to stop the event that=20 > caused the war. =A0This goes on.. > > Yeah, I know. =A0You heard this one already. I love this stuff. =A0Those= =20 > stories you mentioned are good to but time travel has some serious=20 > flaws. > > DAH > --Apple-Mail-1-358140180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Unless you subscribe to the Quantum/Alternate Realities concept. You just plain can't travel back in time; only sideways in various versions of the universe in which the only difference is that time is "offset" by variable amounts. So, in your example, I travel to an alternate universe which is offset by the appropriate number of years to effect THAT universes time-line - and prevent the war. I then have created a new branch universe in which the war was prevented. I then CAN travel forward in time (we do this all the time) to the future in this NEW universe in which the war was prevented... unfortunately this type of time travel is the selfish variety, since only the "time traveler" can enjoy the benefits of the creation of the alternate time-line.. well him and everyone else in the new universe. Theorists believe this type of "time travel" is what accounts for the apparent appearance of particles in a particle accelerator, BEFORE the impact occurs. They come from another Quantum Reality. jnt On Monday, June 10, 2002, at 08:33 PM, inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org wrote: ArialAnd you can't go back in time to change history. =A0It works (doesn't work) like this: Suppose there was a single event that caused a war. =A0You go back in time to prevent that event and prevent the war, you are successful. =A0But now there is / never was, a war. =A0Since now you have never experienced the war, it isn't in your history and in fact never happened you have no knowledge at all of the war and you don't go back in time to stop the event that caused the war. =A0So, of course the war happens anyway and you must go back in time to stop the event that caused the war. =A0This goes on.. Yeah, I know. =A0You heard this one already. I love this stuff. =A0Those stories you mentioned are good to but time travel has some serious flaws. DAH = --Apple-Mail-1-358140180-- From Sargentjsrg@aol.com Tue Jun 11 02:54:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailman-inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Received: (qmail 4888 invoked by uid 102); 11 Jun 2002 02:54:44 -0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.37) by 12.2.36.151 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 02:54:44 -0000 Received: from Sargentjsrg@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id c.159.f29de73 (3949) for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <159.f29de73.2a36c047@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:53:59 EDT To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_159.f29de73.2a36c047_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 From: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Reply-To: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org Subject: [InConJunction] Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown Sender: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org Errors-To: inconjunction-admin@lists.inconjunction.org X-BeenThere: inconjunction@lists.inconjunction.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Open discussion about the InConJunction SF&F convention List-Unsubscribe: